tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post5725185301693523150..comments2023-04-02T10:44:21.551-05:00Comments on The Travis McGee Reader: Stand Your Ground Defense? Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00034752526895428019noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-19284603330335078852013-05-07T19:23:55.634-05:002013-05-07T19:23:55.634-05:00My saying that the 911 operator told Z to stay in ...My saying that the 911 operator told Z to stay in his car was based on my reading of news reports. A shaky permise at best.<br /><br />However, the legislative reasoning behind SYG is that a person has the right to be secure where he/she is, but it home, auto, yard, etc. It does not contemplate that location shifting,because if that were the case, the location could be shifted to a position of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-34969882448008572362013-05-07T11:04:18.264-05:002013-05-07T11:04:18.264-05:00Jim,
This is what I don't understand:
Relyi...Jim,<br /><br />This is what I don't understand:<br /><br /><i><br />Relying solely on SYG when Zimmerman had every opportunity to avoid contact with Martin places the whole philosophy of self-defense against imminent, deadly threat anywhere in serious political danger.</i><br /><br />Are you saying that people have to exercise every opportunity to avoid a possible encounter or they endanger Bob S.http://3boxesofbs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-80861974285867574452013-05-07T10:26:29.159-05:002013-05-07T10:26:29.159-05:00The note cited is:
http://www.blogger.com/blogger...The note cited is:<br /><br />http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7710325166074275740#editor/target=post;postID=5349842698069860133;onPublishedMenu=template;onClosedMenu=template;postNum=87;src=postnameJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00034752526895428019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-80420088406374068732013-05-07T10:25:31.364-05:002013-05-07T10:25:31.364-05:00I enjoy this discussion even though it wanders sli...I enjoy this discussion even though it wanders slightly from my main point. The important issue is the effect of this case on our SYG progress.<br /><br />This is not meant to attack Zimmerman. A while I back I wrote* that he may well be justly acquitted on the traditonal self-defense grounds JAGS mentioned. <br /><br />Relying solely on SYG when Zimmerman had every opportunity to avoid contact Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00034752526895428019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-20090554483751649262013-05-06T14:47:48.331-05:002013-05-06T14:47:48.331-05:00JAGSC,
Sorry to correct you but the 911 operator ...JAGSC,<br /><br />Sorry to correct you but the 911 operator did not tell Zimmerman to stay in his car.<br /><br />What was said was "Are you following him" <br /><br />Z -- "Yes"<br /><br />911 Dispatcher -- "We don't need you to do that."<br /><br />At which time Zimmerman stated "Okay" and proceeded to discuss where to meet the responding police. <br Bob S.http://3boxesofbs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-50307851537990644312013-05-04T14:10:00.938-05:002013-05-04T14:10:00.938-05:00Note, I did not say that a plain old self-defense ...Note, I did not say that a plain old self-defense claim would not work. I said the SYG claim was not viable. Assuming Zimmerman saw someone he felt did not belong there, as a NW guy he had the right to ask. Heck, any neighbor has that right. If he did that and Martin responded agrssively (physically), then Zimmerman has a right to defend himself. Talk (question) does not grant the right to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-5856232112266568622013-05-03T13:57:12.794-05:002013-05-03T13:57:12.794-05:00Jim,
Maybe I've read a little more on the cas...Jim,<br /><br />Maybe I've read a little more on the case then others. I've read many of the dispositions, statements, etc made available to the public by the defense attorneys. <br /><br />Let's break down the "overstepped bound of good judgement" aspect.<br />It was a rainy day approaching sunset dusk and a person acting suspiciously is observed by a member of the Bob S.http://3boxesofbs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-5781694839430127322013-05-03T10:28:13.649-05:002013-05-03T10:28:13.649-05:00Bob,
As JAGSC noted, we're all commenting ba...Bob,<br /><br />As JAGSC noted, we're all commenting based almost wholly on news reports, and I agree that testimony about contact initiation may move jurors one way or another if the defense uses the SYG in any way.<br /><br />I can't shake the view that Zimmerman overstepped the bounds of good judgement and SYG-law intent when he got out of his car and, at minimum, began shadowing Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00034752526895428019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-77738101896435625432013-05-03T09:35:27.750-05:002013-05-03T09:35:27.750-05:00I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that...I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that Zimmerman created the confrontation. Walking about his place of residence, even looking for Martin, isn't sufficient ground of provocation according to my understanding of the law. <br /><br />Then there is the testimony, both of Dee Dee and Zimmerman, that Martin initiated the conversation. <br /><br />I think the defense is playing it Bob S.http://3boxesofbs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7710325166074275740.post-36821108919201374752013-05-01T09:37:14.847-05:002013-05-01T09:37:14.847-05:00Based on the facts of this case as reported by the...Based on the facts of this case as reported by the media, I don't think his SYG claim has a prayer. Self-defense claims have always had some limitations, such as the need to retreat if possible. SYG merely says if you are in a place you have a right to be, and if you are not the aggressor, you have a right to defend yourself at that point. No need to retreat. It does not say you can Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com